Showing posts with label duplex. Show all posts
Showing posts with label duplex. Show all posts

Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Divided vs Undivided Co-ownership, Part Deux

Time to take another look at the differences between divided co-ownership and undivided co-ownership. First-time buyers and buyers from outside Quebec tend to use the terms interchangeably. It's a good idea to be clear about what we mean when we talk about these two popular housing types.

Let's start with Divided Co-Ownership.

More commonly known as a condo. When you buy this, you own 100 per cent of your dwelling.  
A condo has it's own distinct lot number. In Quebec, it's called a cadastral designation. Whatever the address, or whoever the owner, the cadastral number is the one used by notaries, banks, the city tax department and other official agencies to identify your property. It is found on the certificate of location, the survey plan that shows the footprint of your condo within your building. Other cadastral numbers might also be associated with your condo, for instance if you have a balcony, or share a corridor with your neighbours, or have a garage space or storage locker.  Usually, these are common areas or common areas for which you have exclusive use. 

A condo has its own tax bill. Your bill is mailed directly to you to pay. Generally speaking, the taxes are higher on a condo than they are on an undivided property of similar size and quality. 

A buyer can usually put down a minimum down payment of five per cent on a condo. There can be exceptions. If the bank has concerns about your ability to pay a mortgage, they might ask you to put down a bigger down payment. If you are a foreign buyer, they will often ask for 35 per cent down.
Buying a condo you are free to deal with whichever lender you like. 

Because you own your specific unit, you are free to rent it out, as long as rentals are permitted in the building. (This is a big one. We'll get into it more when discussing undivided condos.)
 Now for Undivided Co-ownership
When you buy an undivided co-ownership you are buying a fraction of a whole building. In a triplex, that usually means about 33 per cent of the building, in a duplex, depending on whether you have the top or the bottom, or whether there is a basement or not, you're buying a 45-55 per cent share of the building as a whole. In a large apartment building, the fraction would be smaller. 

Unlike a condo, your undivided property will not have its own lot number. There were will be one cadastral designation for the entire building.  There is also only one certificate of location for the entire building but each owner gets a certificate with the plan of each fraction shown. 

There's one tax bill for the entire building and the portion you pay is determined by the percentage of the building you own.  Undivided properties generally have a lower taxable value than divided properties of similar size and condition. That means lower taxes for the owners.

Prices for undivided co-ownership properties tend to be substantially lower than for condos of the same size and quality. This is because the down payment on an undivided is a minimum of 20 per cent. The pool of buyers able to put together 20 per cent down is substantially smaller than the pool of condo buyers. That tends to have a moderating influence on prices.
Only two banks will finance the purchase of undivided properties, the Caisse Desjardins or the National Bank of Canada. If you are buying into an existing undivided property, you must use the bank already holding mortgages on the property.  If you are thinking of converting your own duplex or triplex, you get to choose which of the two to use. Each bank works with specific notaries so you will either have to start by choosing the bank and then ask them to refer you to a notary, or, if you really like a particular notary, accept that you will have to work with the bank with which they are affiliated. Not all notaries do this kind of work.

Renting an undivided property presents a few risks. Quebec law is very clear. An owner who rents his or her undivided property has no automatic right to repossess from a tenant. So, if you are buying into a newly created undivided co-ownership and if there is a tenant already in place, you cannot force them to move. You can offer them an inducement but they do not have to go. This sounds crazy but it is true. Check property listing for older apartment buildings in Outremont, for example, and you will note that many of them are attractively priced but have tenants who are not going anywhere. 

Likewise, if you are hoping to rent out your undivided property you might be opening a can of worms. First of all, your mortgage agreement will likely forbid you to rent (because banks don't want to be stuck with tenants, either). If you don't have a mortgage and you rent, you might still find yourself stuck with a tenant who won't leave. You could get around this if you offer short-term rentals, instead of a standard lease. Be careful though, many buildings are wary of short-term rentals and the headaches they can bring.
In undivided buildings, co-owners have a right of first refusal. That means that when the property is put up for sale, the other owners are given an opportunity to buy it first. Often, the co-owners are given a second opportunity to buy once a promise to purchase from an outside buyer is accepted. They then have a chance to match the offer on the table. Co-owners who renounce their right of first refusal must do so in writing and within a set time frame.

For all the complications and quirks of undivided co-ownership, it does have one big advantage. It is much easier to turn a duplex or triplex (or any other multi-unit building) into an undivided co-ownership than it is to turn it into condos. 

All you need to do is ask a notary to prepare an indivision agreement. This agreement is a multi-page document that lays out who owns what, what the rules are, how decisions are made and other minutiae of owning. Next, a land surveyor must prepare a new certificate of location with a detailed plan of each floor or unit in the building. All of this can be accomplished in about two months and at relatively little cost. 

Turning a similar duplex, triplex or apartment building into condos is a much lengthier process and much more costly. 

Montreal has frozen condo conversions as a way of protecting the rental housing stock. (we can argue about how effective that has been.) If you want to convert a building where even one unit has been rented in the last 10 years, even if the unit is now empty, you must apply to borough for permission. Quebec's Rental Board will also want to know if any of the dwellings have been rented in the last 10 years. The owner must provide proof that all the tenants have been advised of the conversion plan. Once those steps are undertaken, the city and the province must give authorization. This can take six months to grind its slow way through the gears of bureaucracy.

A land surveyor must prepare a new certificate of location and must apply to the Minister of Natural Resources for cadastral designations (lot numbers) for each divided unit. Are you dizzy yet?  Once all of that is done, a notary draw up a Declaration of Co-ownership. 

The process is long, complicated and costly. There are deadlines that can't be missed. Usually, lawyers specializing in real estate transactions are involved because the paperwork, the procedures and the all-important deadlines are not easy to navigate. 

As a final disincentive, in Montreal, some boroughs can and do impose what is known as a "park tax" when a building is converted into condos. This tax represents 10 per cent of the land value as stated on the property evaluation rolle. For a typical Verdun triplex, for example, that might mean $10,000 to $15,000.  That tax is payable before the permit to convert the property is issued.  

The good news is that it is easier and less costly for co-owners of an undivided property to convert to condo. It still takes time and will cost you money, but the park tax doesn't apply and the process is more streamlined. 

Do you have other questions about buying, selling or converting a property to divided or undivided co-ownership? Drop me a line of give me a call. I'd be happy to help. 



Friday, January 29, 2016

Just Listed! NDG Duplex with a Basement Ready for Finishing - $559,000

Are you looking for a duplex with a high, clean basement ready to turn into an in-law suite or space for the teen or young-adult portion of your family?

Amy Barratt and I have just listed a duplex at 2190-2192 Oxford Ave. in NDG that features two flats having two bedrooms each, and a full-height basement with two exit doors. The basement is roughed in with a plywood floor, gpysumboard walls, electrical and plumbing roughed in for whatever your project may be.

This property, originally built in 1914, was decimated by fire in the mid 1980s and was entirely rebuilt by a contractor. The result is a big comfortable property with modern plumbing, electrical, insulation and windows.

The top floor of the building is currently occupied by the vendor. A tenant occupies the ground floor, at $995 a month. There's a small backyard with each of the two apartments having a small kitchen balcony. The upper also has a balcony off the office area at the front.

These 6.5-room apartments have comfortable living rooms, master bedrooms of good dimensions and a smaller second bedroom. Washer and dryer installations are in the large bathrooms.

The eat-in kitchens are spacious with a sliding patio door leading to a the deck. On the second floor, the sink is set into the island that faces onto the dining area. There's a built in dishwasher. The second floor flat also has a separate dining area.
The property is located on lower Oxford Ave., between Sherbrooke St. and De Maisonneuve Blvd. This a lively and walkable neighborhood that gets some of its energy from Concordia University's Loyola campus, located a bit further west on the 105 bus route.
Sherbrooke St is lined with mom and pop stores, hangouts like Café Shaika, MonTango Argentine Tango School , Co-op La Maison Verte and a million affordable restos.
This neck of the NDG woods has a relaxed vibe and prices to match, a world away from nearby Monkland Village.
So, if you're look for a sound investment and if you think a property with a huge basement that is ready for finishing is something you might like, give me a call at (514) 978-6522 to arrange a visit.




Thursday, July 9, 2015

Home + Rental Revenue + Office/Studio = A Mile-Ex Duplex for You








Amy Barratt and I have just listed a pretty special duplex in Mile-Ex (more about that name and neighborhood in a bit.)

7022-7024 Clark St. is a typical turn-of-the-century Montreal duplex. The upper unit, which will be available to the buyer, features three bedrooms, a large living room at the front and a big eat-in kitchen.

The bathroom is large, with a skylight, old-fashioned tub and has washer and dryer hook-ups.

 All in all, this is a a big comfortable place with plenty of light and apleasing old soul.

Off the back balcony, the secret world of old Italian vegetable gardens, riotous flowers, trees and low-slung rooftops. A pocket of green in the heart of the city.

The downstairs unit is currently rented at $1100 a month. The tenant shares the fenced backyard and has a vegetable garden. 

What sets this property apart form others in the neighborhood is the detached two-storey building in the back yard. Probably once used as a shed, this concrete block on slab construction has been converted into a 225-square-foot completely insulated, fully wired and entirely finished studio space. With its original wood floors, new windows and skylights, the space is sunny and inviting. Accessible by a catwalk from the second floor or by an exterior winding staircase from the yard, this haven of creativity is something special.

The ground floor of the studio space is raw - concrete block walls with high ceilings and plenty of potential. It is currently used for storage but has been used as a carpentry shop, ceramic- and paint studios. The space is waiting for you and your projects.

The current owner purchased the place in 2001 and has spent good money on renovations. The main roof and the roof of the studio building were both redone. New skylights were installed. Windows were changed. Bricks have been repointed, plumbing and electrical brought into the 21st century.


















The current owner purchased the place in 2001 and has spent good money on renovations. The main roof and the roof of the studio building were both redone. New skylights were installed. Windows were changed. Bricks have been repointed, plumbing and electrical brought into the 21st century.

The last time I wrote about Mile-Ex, a reader nearly took my head off. He insisted that Mile-Ex was a made-up name invented by invading hipsters. Maybe, if so blame La Presse which first publicized the name back in 2010. To some it is and  will remain Little Italy, though that name doesn't quite capture the 'hood's adventurous new spirit.

 To others, secteur Alexandra-Marconi sounds best. I even like WeLiTa, for West of Little Italy. Call it whatever you will, this is one lively neighborhood, a mix of old industrial buildings that increasingly house film and TV production houses, architects and designers, small manufcaturers and importers. There are early 20th century duplexes and triplexes and a number of new condo developments, either fresh built or sprung from the hulks of long gone factories.

Throw in Jean-Talon market, the nightlife and grocery shopping of the Upper Main and the many cool little restos in the area - I'm looking at you Depanneur Le Pick Up, Dinette Triple Crown, Manitoba, Café Guerrero and drinkeries like Alexanderplatz and the spanking new Brasserie Harricana and you've got the makings of a vibrant and engaging neighborhood. 

Asking price $560,000. 

Who wants in?











Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Plateau Duplex, Ready for Its 2nd Act. $387,000

UPDATE  We sold this duplex in less than a week for four per cent over the asking price. (You do the math.) Our vendor is delighted.


 Amy Barratt and I are about to list a duplex on Hotel de Ville Ave. just south of St. Josph Blvd. The property consists of a two-bedroom apartment that occupies the ground floor and second floor of the building. The third storey is a one-bedroom apartment.

The entire building will be available to the buyer.

The asking price is $387,000, which corresponds to the building's municipal evaluation. At that price, you understand that this is a building that requires some renovation, including a new roof, wiring, plumbing and probably interior finishes.

The current owner has had it for 15 years and has happily inhabited the third floor while renting out the larger apartment to tenants.

This building occupies more than 90 per cent of its lot. There is no yard of any kind.

This would be a kick-ass project for someone wanting to create a three-storey townhouse with a roof terrasse. It could also be reconverted into three-smaller apartments. If you've got the skills and the time or the money and the vision, there's no limit to what you might be able to do.

Give me a call at (514) 978-6522 to find out more or to book a visit.

The property will be listed on the MLS just as soon as I can data enter all the information. Probably tomorrow or Thursday, March 7, latest.



Exterior view. The property is the left side of these twin buildings.

View from the third-floor balcony.

Street view.






View of the corner of Hotel de Ville and St. Joseph.


Wednesday, January 23, 2013

New Listing in LaSalle 8997-8999 Godbout

Amy Barratt and I have just listed an impeccable 1965 duplex at 8997-8999 Godbout in LaSalle. The property has been inhabited by the same owners since the year of construction and has been carefully maintained.

It consists of two three-bedroom dwellings. The ground floor has a finished basement with powder room, laundry room and workshop, as well as a two-car, tandem garage. The ground floor is available for immediate occupancy.

The upper is rented for $800 a month, heated. It has washer and dryer in the bathroom.

Both units are heated by a single oil-burning furnace, with hot-water (radiator) heating systems that are independent of one another. The ground floor also has a wall-mounted A/C.

What I love about this property is that the original style has been lovingly preserved. The kitchen is straight out of an episode of the Brady Bunch, I'm pretty sure. Love the real wood-grain cabinets. Love the copper drawer pulls. Love the etched glass panels with geese in full flight.

.(Love the wallpaper a little less, but that is a cosmetic trifle.)

This property has gleaming, unsullied oak floors throughout the main level. The basement has wall-to-wall carpets which are being steam cleaned as I write.

The roof was installed in 2004 and is still under guarantee. The front and rear balcony railings, stairs and flashings were redone in aluminum within the last decade. Ditto the fibreglass balcony decks.

The thermopane windows date from 1992. The hot water tanks were replaced in 2007 and 2008, respectively. The oil tank was replaced in 1999.

The living room is large and quite bright, thanks to the southwestern exposure that provides lots of afternoon sunlight through a big picture window. Fabulous for entertaining.

The bedrooms are well proportioned with good closet space and big windows.

The bathroom is fully functional if a little retro with its pink wall tile, pink and white shower tiles and pink marble-effect arborite vanity. It has a large closet and could easily be remodeled for the washer and dryer. Again, a trifle to change.

The lot is also larger than average for the neighborhood, measuring 388 square metres or 4180 square feet. 

Asking price is $453,000, which is a very competitive price for the area. 

Give me a call to schedule a visit. Mary Lamey (514) 978-6522 or Amy Barratt (514) 718-6522










Friday, November 9, 2012

Rosemont Duplex Just Listed

I've just listed a duplex at 4439-441 St-Zotique, at the corner of 28th Ave. in Rosemont. The property consists of  two 5.5 room dwellings, each with three closed bedrooms and large eat in-kitchens with patio doors that give onto large  rear decks.

The property has one tenant living in the ground-floor unit, and a live-in owner upstairs. Both the tenant and the owner will be leaving by July 1, 2013.

The tenant pays $850 unheated and has use of the basement for storage and laundry. He also has an outdoor parking spot on the rear driveway. The upper could probably rent for between $750 and $800. The owner uses the single-width double garage and a cold room in the basement.

The property has been co-owned by the same two families since the mid 1960s. They are generally well maintained, with newer windows, repointed brick, new balconies, stairs and guard rails. The ground floor has a 200-amp electrical box, while the upper has 125 amps.

There's huge upside potential in the unfinished basement, with room aplenty for a fresh new laundry room and family room or extra bedroom, as need be.

The asking price is $475,000. The vendors are open to negotiation. Don't hesitate to call if you have questions or would like to schedule a visit.






Monday, August 15, 2011

City of Montreal Offers Cash Incentives to New Buyers. Some Strings Attached

Did you know that Montreal offers financial incentives to encourage tenants to become home buyers?  The incentives are even better for households with at least one child under the age of 18. You don't have to be a first-time buyer to be eligible, but you must prove that you have not owned a property for at least five years.
As with most government programs, this one is more than a little complicated.  Still, it might be something worth investigating  if you are looking at buyung either a single unit or a revenue property where you will reside.
 Single Units, How Much?If you buy a newly built unit and are the first owner of that property, you can collect a rebate of $4,500, $10,000 or $12,500 depending on if you are a childless single buyer, two buyers, or a household with at least one child.
For a single buyer, the rebate is good for the purchase of a new unit costing not more than $200,000, taxes and extras like kitchen upgrades or a parking space included. (if my math is correct, that means a condo or house priced at not more than $175,554. Ce n'est pas beaucoup ça!)
For two-buyer households, the limit is $235,000.
For a household with at least one kid, the limit is $265,000 or $310,000 if the unit has three bedrooms.
The city will also refund 40 per cent of your property transfer tax (the hated welcome tax that you will be hit with about 30 days after you take possession.)
The welccome tax refund is 100 per cent for households with at least one kid.
This program has the twin aim of encouraging developers to build family-affordable housing in the city and encouraging young families to stay on the island instead of fleeing to the suburbs.
Revenue Properties, How Much?
 If you buy a duplex and live in one unit while renting the other, the city will refund 40 per cent of your property transfer tax, as long as your duplex does not cost more than $400,000 (There's no sales tax of resale duplexes, so that $400,000 is a real market price.) If you buy a triplex, the maximum is $450,000.
For households with children, the maximum purchase price remains $400,000 for a duplex and $450,000 for a triplex but the city will refund the entire amount of your property transfer tax.
This program was designed to encourage owner occupancy. It has been proven that revenue properties where the owner lives on site are better maintained than those with absentee landlords.
As with any government program,there's a lot of fine print. For example, you have to commit to owning the property for three years or else you have to pay the money back.
You have to pay your property transfer tax up front and then apply to for the rebate.
This is a program partially funded by the Quebec government, so it lasts as long as there's money in the kitty. When the envelope is empty, as they say in French, ze program she ends. I can't see anything on the city website to indicate that the program has run out of funds.
You can find out more by visiting the City of Montreal's housing site and download the application form. You have six months after the purchase of your property to apply for the rebate. You can also visit your local borough office to find out more.